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jaymer
01-08-2005, 10:23 PM
I just got a 30-inch Sony Tube which has HDMI input.
I've noticed some strange things when connected using HDMI that are not present when connected via component.

Let me first say that the picture is AWESOME - much better than with component. There's a depth and color improvement that is drastic. I checked and it doesn't seem that this TV maintains seperate color adjustments for each input - though thats what i thought at first - that the color was just turned up on the HDMI input and down on the component HD input.
And the sound is much better as well - even though i had left/right cables going into the analog sound inputs on the TV, now I guess its digital (cause sound and video go over that one HDMI cable) so its just better. One thing I have not done is see ANY of the settings on my SA box - there are options in there for dolby/pcm, narrow/normal, etc.... not sure if that has anything to do with it.

My HDMI cable was $19 (plus tax, shipping) from pccables.com, arrived next day UPS Ground since they are in Florida. I'd highly suggest trying it for $25 if your TV has HDMI - or if you are in the Brandon area, gimme a PM and I'll bring my cable over so we can see.

OK, now to the problems.
I had read on AVS someone talking about "If you are connected HDMI, then none of the box "features" work", meaning the pause, record, guide stuff wouldn't work. That was really hard to believe and in fact some others replied that they saw no reason why the unit would care what outputs were used and thus have some functionality locked out in HDMI mode.

Well, the first time I tried it I experience that exact problem. Since I hooked up HDMI after I already had component in place, I wanted to compare the two signals. So, if the SA box was already on channel 700, and i switched inputs on the Sony, then the guide/pause/play functions were dead, just like this "crazy guy" had said on AVS.
But it cleared up once I tuned to a channel while on the HDMI input, then all worked like it should. This turns out not to be an issue because once I disconnect the component cables I'll only have the HDMI input and then I'll always be there when tuning channels.
But this could still be an issue if you were over on the DVD input and then switched to HDMI. If you had powered off the TV or a timer had changed channels on the SA box, you might find yourself locked out of control on the cable box - the only solution being to manually go up/down a channel - but then you'd lose your "live TV" buffer and that would be bad. Unsure of any solution to this or if it exists.
But I am getting that familiar msg "Your unit is not authorized for DVI" (or similar - will update this msg after i see it again) when I power on the TV and i'm on my svideo input (the Tivo) - haven't totally figured this out yet cause i need the 3rd remote (the Tivo) to see exactly whats up.

Someone on this forum mentioned a month ago that one drawback to a "pure" HDMI connection (one cable from tuner to TV to stereo) was that if your TV was off, then you can't listen to a cable didital music channel cause the TV won't pass the HDMI signal unless its on... thats a big bummer - no it doesn't affect everyone, but its definitely something the designers have overlooked. With my new, limited experience with the HDMI cable, I'm starting to see some strange things like this as well.

jaymer...

CANDY76MAN
01-08-2005, 10:39 PM
good info, makes me wish I had hdmi on my tv to compare.........does anybody actually listen to the music channels though?...I never have.

FTBoomerIII
01-09-2005, 08:45 AM
I do occasionally. During Christmas, we had people over and I had the christmas music channel ON, TV OFF, Stereo ON. Just great for background music.

bdraw
01-09-2005, 09:49 AM
So your 8300 didn't come with a HDMI cable like the HD Tivo does?
I guess for 1000 for a HD Tivo that is the least they could do. ;)

But seriously, was reading on AVS that SA is aware of the problem and they are working on it. I guess HDMI is harder to implement than many thought. i have yet to try the DVI input on either of my TV's, no HDMI here.

It seems odd to me that the analogue inputs would be worse than the digital inputs on a CRT display. Due to the expensive and lack of availability of the digital matrix switchers I doubt I will be switching anytime soon. I got a 4x2 matrix switcher for Christmas and I love the ability to use my HTPC and HD Tivo on either of my HD tv's in my house simultaneously or independent of each other.

ned
01-09-2005, 10:02 AM
I'm using HDMI but had none of your problems.

jaymer
01-09-2005, 04:11 PM
wow ned, thats interesting.
so i wonder exactly what problem SA is aware of (per bdraw/avsforum) - is it just happening to some people? Maybe I need to swap my box.

my wife likes to use the TV as an alarm clock. when the Sony powers on via a timer, you can select a channel OR Input 1 - I haven't checked the manual to see why only Input 1 is offered, but thats the Svideo/Tivo so its fine.
This morning that msg is on the screen about my TV does not support HDCP. So when it powers on, the TIVO starts recording the error screen - no sound or morning news to wake her up. She's not pleased.

Ned, i'll try to come up with a precise test that you can do on your box and we can see if the results are the same.

jaymer...

jaymer
01-09-2005, 04:12 PM
candyman - yep, put some music on this afternoon and shut the projector off.

Max_Gator
01-10-2005, 02:14 PM
Candyman - you may want to try those channels. Some pretty good mixes on there at times.

Jaymer - I'm the one who mentioned the music channel issue. However, I do not have the other problems you are having. Perhaps your problem with the dead controls will go away once you disconnect the component cables attached to the 8300. Sounds like maybe switching between the inputs for the dvr may be causing that problem.

I have my dvd hooked up via component since my dlp has only 1 dvi input (I use an hdmi to dvi cable along with an audio cable) and don't have any problem when switching between the sources.

I get an occasional snow screen and an occasional hdcp message but they are brief and go away. I don't know why I get them.

ned
01-10-2005, 04:18 PM
wow ned, thats interesting.
so i wonder exactly what problem SA is aware of (per bdraw/avsforum) - is it just happening to some people? Maybe I need to swap my box.

my wife likes to use the TV as an alarm clock. when the Sony powers on via a timer, you can select a channel OR Input 1 - I haven't checked the manual to see why only Input 1 is offered, but thats the Svideo/Tivo so its fine.
This morning that msg is on the screen about my TV does not support HDCP. So when it powers on, the TIVO starts recording the error screen - no sound or morning news to wake her up. She's not pleased.

Ned, i'll try to come up with a precise test that you can do on your box and we can see if the results are the same.

jaymer...

Sure, let me know.

goalie99
01-10-2005, 05:15 PM
I have a different HDMI issue with my 8300. Every once in a while, usually right after I turn on the box, if I hit the guide button I will go to a screen of nothing but static. It still shows the right input on the corner of my TV, but I just get snow. If I hit the guide button or channel up button, it goes back to the cable feed.

I've also had my volume just cut out on me a few times. Once while recording but several times while not recording. Changing the channel a few times fixes it. Neither bug is a deal breaker on the unit, though...I can live with em for now.

jaymer
01-10-2005, 06:21 PM
John (max g), you know, i DID leave the component connections all plugged in... why disconnect them before i knew the HDMI would work. All i did was program that input to SKIP, but it still was plugged in. Might be worth a try to see if thats messing it up.

Since I can't seem to pull enough strings at BHN to get another 8300HD, and since the wife really prefers the Tivo over the SARA interface, I temporarily moved the PACE box onto that unit and returned the 8300HD to my big screen for last night's 24 premier. If the wife doesn't miss it, I might just hold off getting another recorder and save $10/month.