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Bschneider
08-13-2007, 09:16 AM
I know this is not HD..

Public Access TV Going Digital On Bright House

By RICHARD MULLINS The Tampa Tribune
Published: Aug 11, 2007

http://www.tbo.com/news/money/MGBUBKRE75F.html

TAMPA - Fans of public access TV could see those channels go away this December, if they subscribe to Bright House Networks analog cable TV.

That's because Bright House is preparing a major reshuffling of its cable TV lineup, rearranging most of its channels in the Tampa Bay area.

Right now, customers in Pasco County often see ESPN or CNN on a different channel number than customers in Hillsborough or Pinellas counties.
The reshuffle, scheduled for Dec. 11, should standardize everyone on one lineup, spokesman Joe Durkin said.

Amid the changes, Bright House plans to move public access TV from its current spot in the lowest channel number slot to a much higher number slot. Also, it will be available only on more expensive digital tier cable TV packages.

Bright House has yet to decide exactly where public access or any other channel will end up on the channel lineup, but the move, in general, angers supporters of public, education and government (or "PEG") TV in Tampa - productions that include government meetings, music shows and political debate forums.

"They will upset a great number of people," said Louise Thompson, executive director of the Tampa Bay Community Network, which produces much of the public access TV in the area. "They will lose an enormous number of customers to Verizon," she said, speaking of Bright House's chief rival Verizon Communications Inc.

Thompson said she thinks the free speech role PEG channels play in the local democracy should mean the channels are available to the widest-possible audience, and broadcast on the least-expensive, most widely available tier of programming, not more expensive digital tiers.

Right now, about 30 percent of customers at Bright House still have analog cable programming. The rest have an upgraded digital package. That analog programming takes up a disproportionately large portion of the bandwidth that cable companies can broadcast in their networks.

Cable companies across the country also have been investing in new technologies to overcome any shortage of bandwidth in their system - including rearranging less-popular channels off the analog tier.
Both Tampa and Hillsborough County received letters from Bright House this week, notifying them of the change, and officials for the city and county say they are considering their options and any potential response.

Durkin, of Bright House, characterized the channel reshuffle as a way to standardize all customers on the same lineup. He said the company would try to make PEG channels available to customers who want it, yet don't want to upgrade to digital service.

If those customers call Bright House and specifically request PEG channels, the company plans to rent them a special converter box at a lower price than the traditional $6 per month rental fee for a digital box. That price has not yet been determined, Durkin said.

Reporter Richard Mullins can be reached at rmullins@tampatrib.com (rmullins@tampatrib.com) or (813) 259-7919.

bdraw
08-14-2007, 10:40 AM
Actually this is good news for HD fans, as it will free up bandwidth for HD channels.

As for FIOS, do they even offer public access channels to customers without digital tuners (QAM or STB)?

Bschneider
08-14-2007, 12:31 PM
Yes, they do. All channels between 2 and 49 are free in the clear. And that is where the channels are located.

tampahank
08-19-2007, 03:09 PM
Ya know, perhaps I'm a bit biased, but the article seems a bit slanted to me.

A> Everything will go digital eventually. Even the FCC knows, eventually people will have to journey out of the early 1990's to get TV service.

B> This is an example of the cable system being the pseudo-utility that's easiest to hate. (I say pseudo, because people act like it's a utility, but while I do like TV.. it's not as required as water or electric to me..)

The rules allowing MSOs in Florida to migrate PEG's to digital is because of.. the telcos! Verizon pushed for legislation to allow state wide contracts. The ability to reclaim bandwidth was one of the consolation prizes that the law allowed the MSOs.

I think this is a win-win for everyone. My reasons:

A> I really do believe that MSOs state-wide will provide a low cost box for people who don't really want digital service to use. I know SA is working on one. Pace has one going into production (or might already be) that's 100% digital and is insanely cheap. Form factor is tiny, about the size of a VHS cassette. MSOs will find a way to provide this service to the low-revenue end user that will make sure they keep getting service, and the MSO can still make a few bucks.

B> The bandwidth that can be reclaimed is insane. Analog PEG channels in the Tampa Bay market (depending on your location (geographic or ad zone)) ranges (if memory serves) between 8 - 15. With proper modulation, this could provide a TON of additional channels, HD included (and I know of a number of MSOs prepping to expand their HD content, all through florida.. TWC related and not..).


Again, I might be biased, but complaining that PEG channels are going analog feels like the modern day equivalent of complaining I can't rent a rotary dial phone from the phone company anymore. I think this is a step in the right direction (all/most digital) for everyone.. MSOs and the Telcos included.


hank

bdraw
08-20-2007, 05:23 PM
I agree the article seems biased against BHN and it is def a good thing for everyone, except those holding on to the past. If BHN encrypts these QAM channels then that will not be good.

Roger 9
08-24-2007, 03:58 PM
Let me ask you all a question.

There are millions of standard TV's still in use and will be long after the mandated digital goes into effect. But how does BHN explain away the subtraction of analog stations (for duplications of PPV's), not drop the basic price and/or allow their customers to switch to all digital period?

They are still ripping off customers not dropping ESPN HD and ESPN2 HD to the standard HD tier like one of their parent ops did (Time Warner) forcing people to buy services they may not want just to get two sports stations?

Was the column slanted? Possibly. But they do make a legit point about them tellimg people what they want YOU to watch instead of the other way around.

bdraw
08-25-2007, 08:47 PM
I don't think they should give discounts when moving channels to digital, afterall they are upgrading the PQ of the signal. If people really don't want to give BHN any more money, they could buy a tv with a QAM tuner or a QAM STB.

LeapFroggie
09-07-2007, 06:05 AM
BHN must have thousands of older, 256 QAM digital-but-not-HD set top boxes just sitting around in storage somewhere.

Rather than put those boxes in the land fill it behooves BHN to act responsibly and provide these STBs to their current analog subscribers. Doing so provides a number of advantages to BHN (remote diagnostics, subscriber authorization, frees up the analog bandwidth) and would be good for the customer (better video quality, free interactive services). This would also be good customer / government relationship management. I would hope that this is the path that BHN will undertake. Perhaps the current news reporting is 'strategic positioning' on someone's part at BHN, or maybe just poor news reporting. Let's hope so.

tampahank
11-05-2007, 10:08 PM
BHN must have thousands of older, 256 QAM digital-but-not-HD set top boxes just sitting around in storage somewhere.

Rather than put those boxes in the land fill it behooves BHN to act responsibly and provide these STBs to their current analog subscribers. Doing so provides a number of advantages to BHN (remote diagnostics, subscriber authorization, frees up the analog bandwidth) and would be good for the customer (better video quality, free interactive services). This would also be good customer / government relationship management. I would hope that this is the path that BHN will undertake. Perhaps the current news reporting is 'strategic positioning' on someone's part at BHN, or maybe just poor news reporting. Let's hope so.


(this thread was referred in another thread, thus me bringing it up).

I understand the comments above, and mostly would agree with them. I understand where they come from. But I can add a few comments..

#1> I don't believe Bright House Tampa has a bunch of boxes hanging around. How the DHCT market is, they've likely got as many boxes out there as they can, and aren't holding onto a cache of boxes that're deemed "unworthy". (Trust me, most manufacturers have a high price on each box!).

#2> It'd end up failing to send out old boxes, even if they existed. It's idealistic to think that if someone got some old box that they'd think "Now I Have Digital [tm]", and just watch digital broadcast channels.. but the bulk of the community that got these low-end boxes would end up attempting to use as many "interactive services" as possible. (which, if knowledge serves, includes SA based xOD, Navic Interactive-Polls, and TWC's StartOver service in the Tampa Area) .. take it from me, this would end up annoying everyone. I've written a ton of code to automate testing DHCTs, including most of the boxes used in the Tampa area, and ones used in other areas (such as the odd little box known as the Pace 501... which as far as I know is used in a few locales up north, and a variation is very popular in England). This plan would fail, as if "thousands of older, 256 QAM" DHCTs existed, they'd suck, period. I know the Tampa digital market launched w/ 4-meg memory boxes, and I twitch thinking about modern clients running on those boxes. Stripped to basic services (channel maps, guide info, sam services, xod), it'd be a bit sluggish.. pop TWC's Compass client on that, as well as the interactive Ads client.. you'd be in pain, completely..

As I've mentioned in other threads, there are a few cheap (modern) box alternatives out there, and perhaps that's the way to go.. but the idea that there's a mystical warehouse filled with old boxes that'd provide excellent service.. well it's a bit x-Files-ish, honestly ;)




hank

tampahank
11-05-2007, 10:25 PM
I've written a ton of code to automate testing DHCTs, including most of the boxes used in the Tampa area, and ones used in other areas (such as the odd little box known as the Pace 501... which as far as I know is used in a few locales up north, and a variation is very popular in England). This plan would fail, as if "thousands of older, 256 QAM" DHCTs existed, they'd suck, period. I know the Tampa digital market launched w/ 4-meg memory boxes, and I twitch thinking about modern clients running on those boxes. Stripped to basic services (channel maps, guide info, sam services, xod), it'd be a bit sluggish.. pop TWC's Compass client on that, as well as the interactive Ads client.. you'd be in pain, completely..


Just as a quick clarification of the comments above, the code I mention above are for analyzing memory usage on boxes. The programs will beat up a box quickly (simulating regular usage), analyzing free ram as well as largest contiguous chunk of ram available on the box.. and when I could make the box crash. Memory allocation is often an issue that causes DHCTs to fail, and reboot themselves.

The more you cram in, the more is fighting for pieces of ram.. On boxes like 8300s with a ton of ram, it's a little easier.. with 4 or 8 meg boxes.. it's a crap shoot.



hank

CactusJack
11-06-2007, 05:24 PM
I'm confused again (seems to be a normal state of mind...). I thought BHN had already changed ALL channels over to Digital, as discussed in this thread: http://www.tampahdtv.com/tpahd-vb/showthread.php?t=14916&highlight=digital

Why the talk about moving channels to Digital?

Thanks,
Jack

HDJerry
11-06-2007, 07:00 PM
I'm confused again (seems to be a normal state of mind...). I thought BHN had already changed ALL channels over to Digital, as discussed in this thread: http://www.tampahdtv.com/tpahd-vb/showthread.php?t=14916&highlight=digital

Why the talk about moving channels to Digital?

Thanks,
Jack

Beacuse they just started doing it in Pinellas.